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nah, there's a better one, i think it's driven by darmoed:
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but i found the style in 1994
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Just had heart attack
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Now all my wr recs has been shared I think.
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i think its worth watching)
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here slalom rec if somebody want beat)
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looks perf minus bottom push but im no expert :__)=
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mwb0892 rec
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spiraled 44.69 (poor start and end) - very fun merge with kazans .38 (looks like 44.1x merge at first sight) discuss! :D

'edit - okay guys, just made a run with apple time shadowing multiwr time (file attached - 0018good..). this lev seems like ezwr, but i need some tips on volting pattern at 42-43secs. thanks in advance :)
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oke? double grippiN
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My world record ride o/
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sax rec

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You forgot to gas from 24.34 onwards.
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madness stfu u allegledy quit this game so ur not a paart of thiis comunity anymore so get out of my faace before I KNOCK U DOWN
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Congrats, insane performance!
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damn impressive
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looks acceptable, gz :). R.I.P pipe
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It's happening :o max gz
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so i send rec to px?)
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this is one of the 5 levels in which Zweq didn't have wr yet. zamppe, what you gonna do about it? pls go rewrite history :twisted:
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Sick! Looks like a legit bounce. Can see nervousness in driving after making it :D
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What fps did you use, kaz?

And it looks like its possible to go over the polygon with the hole bike in 8s instead of doing hang backwards. What do you think about it?
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Looks ok... :( nab driving afterwards. Go at least for 30s.
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Hahah such a slow rec XD and such an illegit illegal unlawful bug bounce there XDD
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badyl wrote:What fps did you use, kaz?

And it looks like its possible to go over the polygon with the hole bike in 8s instead of doing hang backwards. What do you think about it?
2wheel hang is fastest, but also not very ez in practice (no xiit)
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60 fps used.
i dont want use other style than front wheel hang when only 1/100 bounces succesfull)
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Too bad its a bug bnc :( Also slow run.
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i heard abula has said 30pro.rec would be accepted for wr and that one is way more buggy than this
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wow. just wow.
this looks so easy. why did it take 15 years?
everyone who says this is a bug bounce: wtf is stini's 47 rec then? this looks very legit.
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bug bounces are a difficult subject. If they are "fixed" then this pipe thing is suddenly not possible, while enigma and for example hang tight can still be finished like before, except slightly slower. Acceptable bug bounce sounds funny also, how is one bug bounce more acceptable than another? It's not based on anything, everyone has a different opinion, and in the end only px's opinion matters. It's always gonna be luckbased, except what can be done is increase your chance of success by playing well (exactly what kazan has done), so it's a bit similar to any difficult trick anyway. I think it's gonna be accepted and I think it also should be, just because of other bugbounces.
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but this wasn't a bug
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Xarthok wrote:but this wasn't a bug
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definitely not
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oh ok, not bug then, no more discusion needed
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imo it still looks a bit unnatural.

but then again i dont know anything.
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How can anyone claim it's bug/nat? How do you determine that?
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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something in elma fizics gets divided by the distance of wheel from center of bike, when you divide something by a number that approaches 0 you get, well, sometimes quite a big resulting number. I don't know the exact details, but it's related to using brake or throttle when wheel is in the center of the bike, according to mila. And that is not all. When you also use low fps, the timestep between two frames is longer, which results in bigger jump in game state from frame n to frame n+1, so basically, when using low fps, bugs are stronger and those random suspension stretches are longer. The wheel-center thing was found and described by ropelli in eol chat few months ago, and also found out by mila years ago. This bug is exploited at least in enigma, hang tight and hi flyer in the current world record table, and sometimes in past in other wrs too. And I don't mean it's a bad thing, I'm just saying there is a bug in elma and that pipe thing is possible only because of the bug. but of course it's easier to just say natbug
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I have no point and no idea behind the post, so i'll just mash buttons randomly osv. It's kind of funny how when someone finds a way to push the limits enough to do some mega hard trick to save 2sec, there's such an uproar concering the bugginess of teh trick. But at the same time, as z has already said, levels like hang tight get overlooked, even though buggy bounce is basically necessary there for a good run and it has been like that for years. But it saves like 0.1sec so who cares anyway, let it be a little bit buggy, totally acceptable. If you're against this trick, then why didn't you say anything about the other aforementioned levels though? Or stuff like braketaps at low fps (check bene's start in int44 or several int02 recs by mans), which cut little time here and there. And so on. They're all bugs in the engine caused by errors in calculations.
The crappy thing here is that you need a Ph.D. in numerical analysis to have a chance at coming up with a way to discern bugs from non-bugs, and most likely, there'll be no good way to achieve that and you'll just end up either with a vague criteria or will prove that 50%+ of current wr recs utilize bugs in this or that way. And without any such info, we're only left to guesstimate what's bug and what's not, and that is extremely subjective. So we naturally just accept some bugs, mainly the ones that are reproducible with skill and that look natural enough to most people, so the boundaries of the acceptable tricks expand as the community and techniques develop. I wonder if some day we'd learn how to reliably do milabounces, would they become acceptable? I think yes.

That said though, at least 30.86 rec looks very legit to me, I myself don't see anything buggy there and would be happy to see it in the wr table. And it also seems that kaz found good moves (moves include the near frame perfect understanding of braking/gasing behind the trick osv), which are the key to the trick. Just a regular abuse of elma engine, in a year or two every Spef will have top10 filled with 30.xx, finishing every 50th try.
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So my hehe would be eligible too? It's just like enigma bnc...
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Beautiful recs. <3
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Historically in 14 years there has always been some realm of acceptance for bugs in wr table. Like int52end int47stini and other sach homosexuality evrywher. Some regular bounces like labpro, jaws, bowling can also turn into a bounce of unnatural impetuous speed you would not normally get which is reliant upon some luck and/or fpstuning. Even other tricks could be considered bugs, like penetrating int27 vagina with wheel due to low fps. Int31 start is a huge major glitch if I ever saw one that deserves a harsh prison sentence and anal raping without soap.

Now Kaz has since this rec done 3 more finishes with a brutal style that doesnt even produce a wheelpop (recs on zwor). With my eye I can not tell if its a bug or not, some say it is, some say its not. While looking at int52end or int47stini etc osv you can clearly see that there is a clear definite bugbounce omgicantbelieve. So if anything this is a far weaker, and rather more obscure, bug compared to what has been accepted in the past in any level. For anyone arguing "there is _some_ form of bug in this and that cant be tolerated" then you would logically also want to invalidate every other wr ever that had any form of bug/glitch/pop in it, which is at least 3-4 wrs in the current table, and impose a zero tolerance for anything slightly out of the ordinary.

Reproducability has been a subject regarding this in the past also. Kazan is able to reproduce this using the exact same moves, meaning he is able to control what he is doing and not relying on a 100% luckbounce with different buttonmashings and pray to god for a bugbounce. Similar to how you control int31 glitchstart. Strength of bounce was another subject, and as I said above much stronger stuff has always been accepted. So unless there is a sudden new rule for driving wrs we dont know about that came about in the last few weeks I think this should be accepted.
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Labs, i would disallow that bounce right now, it looks too powerful and irreproducible; but i accept the possiblity that in some distant future i'll laugh at my own limited brain for having thought of not allowing it. That's what i was kind of trying to convey, - that the social "common sense", which is our only power of judging recs, is developing with time, and in some levs we're approaching the vague boundary of bugginess, which will only become more and more difficult to resolve, and thus more and more people will fail to come to an agreement, unless we either allow everything or disallow everything. The same problem has persisted for a while, it's just more glaring in this particular case. And i'm not advocating either of those solutions btw (if we had decided to allow everything from the beginning, ints would've been dead for years by now), imo the common sense way works the best with elma. It's just fun to think about the limits of its usefulness, and about the hypotethical new bugs which'll further blur the definition of a bug.

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"reproducability" is also very subjectiveobjective, you could say it's possible to reproduce new wave bounces also, and one could say islands in the sky jeppe bounces are not reproducable, labs could probably also say he can reproduce that hehe bounce -> it's not something to rely on. What kind of figures are we talking about when talking about "reproducability"? 8) i don't think anyone will ever do that pipe trick at a success rate of 3/4 like animal farm start, have to have very strange 93iq brain to aprov much such comparison.
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lab's rec wasn't driven online - xiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit :)
otherwise ez at the limit of acceptability
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Has anyone else done the pipe trick yet? I think it should be confirmed that other people can do the trick also, that its not some weird tuning that works only for him. Just that the competition remains in that level.
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Reproducability is very subjective to different interpretations yes. Like it would obviously be harder to "reproduce" something that is also a very hard trick to begin with. But in terms of bug bounces, doing a lucky skytouching bounce that increases your speed to space shuttle levels from a stand still doesnt need anyone to judge whether its a tolerated bug or not and whether or not you can reproduce it 10/10. Unless someone is completely oblivious about anything. Reproducability is not the only factor to be taken into account either, but in the past people have been not shutting up about that over and over. The correct usage of the term reproducability was never agreed upon either and how to apply it as what you are saying now also was brought up in the past and many angry mans disagreeing about it with different contradicting examples. Its a concept you cant rely on with much certainty. So lets fuck that.

Some questions: Is what kazan is doing a rare bug? Obviously compared to something like int31 start its more rare per say as anyone and their mother is doing int31 start and only kazan has done int30, but is that due to the bug, if it is a bug, or difficulty of the trick itself? If it wasnt for the trick being so hard, perhaps more people could do it just like they are doing other glitchy things? I dont know. In that case it would be interesting at least to see more capable people try kazanmoves and at least get somewhat close even if its not successful.
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you dont have to question whether it's based on the wheel in center bug or not, because it is :D I don't think the trick is far different from uberbrutal in hi flyer, only difference is that in hi flyer you use throttle for bug effect, but because of high fps the "bounce" is not too dramatic looking. I'm probably wrong about hi flyer, but it's just some theory of mine after analizing hi flyer reclays and bug bounc reclays. Well, this is gonna be my last post on this specific subject, I think if Kazan thinks it is skill trik and should be accepted then I'm 100% support teh
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For me it's clearly acceptable. Also, i think many mans will do it in future and very often, just like any other new style, it just needs some time (like steppes, I remember only Raven and AKB doing teh, now every man is).
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