Internal Level Facts

[Schumi]

Hi all!

Maybe it is not a new discovery, but I just recognized, that Enduro is a Remix of Circuitous The flower and start positions are EXACTLY the same!!
I believe that the Editor Balázs and Csaba used, had a polygon cut/join functionality. Just check Ramp Frenzy in Across and Elma.



If you have interesting knowlegde of other internal levels, please share. I think this was the most obvious one...

[Schumi]

And the same goes for Slalom and Double Trouble:

[AndrY]

GREAT!!
yea, seems 26 and 42 are very similar.

hmm but, 22 lev has 3 absolutely same loops in your pic with 40th, imo its wrong (but not sure, I haven't old across levs).


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Probably fact (very not sure):

Tinnel Terror was 1st lev, where grass and pics appeared, bcz
1) grass has very diff sizes there
2) trees in start seems not good
3) barrels at left down seems very strange
4) all pictures are in grops: 3 pictures in each group; 2 logs together.

[Schumi]

both are accross levels, cuz they are the originals of internals

maybe, you are right.... here is a pic of elma during the alpha phase:

[Schumi]

From: acpack01.zip
Filename: LEV#01.DIZ

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downhill.lev Downhill Csaba Rozsa
Hungary
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hooked.lev Hooked Csaba Rozsa
Hungary
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Levels were stored on: 1998.03.20

STORKED!

EDIT: As I see, Across 1.2 was released in 1998.03.23, these levels were probably made for this version, but for some reason they were left out in the end.

So Hooked and Downhill was orignally made for Dylan Cooper, the official tester of elma.

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readme.txt

Dylan Cooper gave me linguistic help for all written text in the
game and gave most of the levels their names.

In the original version of Downhill, his name was included: "SLOW DOWN, DYLAN"

[Sla]

Interesting info!
Remembered there was similar topic for this: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6923&hilit=enduro+circuitous

[Schumi]

oh thanks sla! also remembered that there was some discussion about this... but was a bit lazy to find...

anyway, the find of milagros: Precarious and Bounce Back

Action Supercross 1.0
[NOR][REG] 21. Precarious
[NOR][REG] 22. Circuitous


Action Supercross 1.2

[NEW][REG] 25. Bounce Back
[NEW][REG] 35. Enduro

[AndrY]

25 and 28 omg:OOO
I cant understand why he do it, don't agree with versions from 2010 topic. WFT???? really internals are very mystery.

btw, was dylan playing elma?

[jblaze]

cool discoveries, why is there no spikes on bottom loop in 26int comparison? just curious if you cut them or twhat

[Schumi]

btw, was dylan playing elma?

yes, he tested all levels during the development of across and elma.

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"Dylan Cooper gave me linguistic help for all written text in the game, gave
all the levels their names and tested the game so extensively, that he is 
one of the fastest players in the world."

cool discoveries, why is there no spikes on bottom loop in 26int comparison? just curious if you cut them or twhat

because all the examples were made by using the Across levels, cuz they are the very original internal levels. in elasto mania, nearly all internal levels were modified.

here is a list you can check:
http://kopasite.net/up/42t6c8pm8vjf5xb/ ... hanges.txt

[Schumi]

Some insider information on new levels that were released in Elasto Mania:

uj means: new (originally "új" in Hungarian)

ujtag.leb - Tag
ujgrav.leb - Gravity Ride
ujupdown.leb - Upside Down
ujkomb.leb - Pipe
ujtolcs.leb - Steep Corner (tolcs: tölcsér: funnel)
ujzuhan.leb - Bumpy Journey (zuhan: falling)
ujvissza.leb - Haircut (vissza: back)
ujcsab.leb - Sink (csab: likely a new Rózsa Csaba level)
Mate.leb - Bowling (Magyar Máté, alias MUe)
ujdownhi.leb - Downhill
ujcsomo.leb - What the Heck (csomo: csomó: knot)
ujhook.leb - Hooked

nulla.leb (probably the base level, when you create a new level in Editor)
visit.leb (level 55)

[ofta]

wow that dylan cooper is a fuckin legend, he gave so much production value with naming of levs and testing and what not

imagine the levs would be named like 34 or 47

he's a god

[Schumi]

i suspect that Enigma is a heavily altered version of Quick Round:

[AndrY]

hmm
imo only right down part is the same here. diff levs ofc could have similar things because they was done by 1 man.

[Schumi]

can be... anyway, the number of vertices matches in the lower part (if you try move them, Quick Round fits on Enigma's vertices)

[Zweq]

I make every lev by editing quick round

[AndrY]

can be... anyway, the number of vertices matches in the lower part (if you try move them, Quick Round fits on Enigma's vertices)

cant see it, sorry(
maybe 1-2 vertices or lines are coincided

9 and 54 have this too btw (long uphill to right, platform, and long uphill to left).

balash is here now, need to ask him about all these things))

[Schumi]

no vertex added, only moved endpoints

[Schumi]

I make every lev by editing quick round

so time to beat the wr. i giev you 34.99 target.

[AndrY]

btw, 3 killers in 23 and 3 killers in 47. coincidence? :O

[Lee]

Did anyone else notice the Twin Peaks section in Elma 2 Internals?

[Xiphias]

Some parts in Elma 2 inernals are copied between levels. I don't know the level names, but I remember noticing some parts in the iOS version.

[milagros]

Some parts in Elma 2 inernals are copied between levels. I don't know the level names, but I remember noticing some parts in the iOS version.

and i was reading about a swordfish yesterday, found out an elma-related fact!
guess what

[ArZeNiK]

Idk if anyone noticed it before, but internal 19 (Turnaround) has a secret polygon inside the ground. Is this an Easter egg, a mistake, or does it have a purpose? https://imgur.com/a/C5c2Y https://imgur.com/a/d54OW

[Lousku]

Must be an igge triangle =)

[AndrY]

yea, noticed too

btw, almost all ints have 2 extra vertexes in ceiling part. why they need?

[bene]

That triangle was featured in femquiz in like 2016

[Chris]

Cool topic :>

[ribot]

This is not really internal level fact, but it's also not not internal level fact neither.

When you play elma the y-axis flips. In other words you enter the world and it turns upside down. So elma is played in an upside down dimension. jonsykkel can confirmed.

[sunl]

Elma 2 is even more confusing. Old data types copied over from Elma 1 are in negative orientation, but new data types (lines, paths) are in positive (normal) orientation.