DarMoeD is a cheater
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wtf, i can't believe! A Hungarian cheater too. And what about this nh guy? He's cool in programming. And just check his records on ALP. Maybe he is a cheater too? And jx? He beated Darm's RF wr...
It will turns out that wr tt is not under 38 mins.
It will turns out that wr tt is not under 38 mins.
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well he shared his recs, but without that tool u couldnt tell he was cheating.. i at least got some of his wrs, wich he gave me wihout any reason.Juble wrote:Congrats karlis on Warm Up WR!!!.....guess all that playing paid off heh?
anyways its pretty sad that people would cheat in this game, i thought darm was an ok person but now i know why he didnt really share some of recs.
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nobody suspected anybodyd.giovanni wrote:But why did you suspect darm? Do you thozght: "Hey, theres something strange in his rec. lets check it!"
abu sent me autoplay, i tried it, made a prog, tested my elma dir and only one other rec found cheated - 52darm.rec
so i sent to abula and that's it
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Best players are always suspicious, but I think they checked everybodys recs, so it wasnt like only hunt for Darms headd.giovanni wrote:But why did you suspect darm? Do you thozght: "Hey, theres something strange in his rec. lets check it!"
even if I get it, it wont feel that good reallyJuBeLZzZ wrote:Congrats karlis on Warm Up WR!!!.....guess all that playing paid off heh?
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I don't really see what's so cool about having a wr when you know it's cheated... I'd rather be a decent honest player than a good cheater.
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Can't believe it..
I hope he will say something, admit.
So there is really just one question left, does he cheat in CS too ?
Btw. this means I get points in 3 WCup events .
I hope he will say something, admit.
So there is really just one question left, does he cheat in CS too ?
Btw. this means I get points in 3 WCup events .
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Talked with darm, i could say few important things he said to me such as :
1. He personally said to me that he cheated (so no more doubting?)
2. He said that he hasnt used the prog in battles for last half year or something, but 'only in pipe levs'.
3. He said he can drive 38 tt without any cheats with bare hands.
Well isnt it quite obvious that a noob cant cheat a wr? If you have something to ask, ask. i have the log here, asked many things from him, maybe i can answer you then
EDIT: darm wanted me to add this
<wound> anyway the guy who made it just edited something at elma.exe and said "if someone has basic programing skills then he can EZ make same" so i thought that most best guys use it :S
1. He personally said to me that he cheated (so no more doubting?)
2. He said that he hasnt used the prog in battles for last half year or something, but 'only in pipe levs'.
3. He said he can drive 38 tt without any cheats with bare hands.
Well isnt it quite obvious that a noob cant cheat a wr? If you have something to ask, ask. i have the log here, asked many things from him, maybe i can answer you then
EDIT: darm wanted me to add this
<wound> anyway the guy who made it just edited something at elma.exe and said "if someone has basic programing skills then he can EZ make same" so i thought that most best guys use it :S
So DarMoeD joined #across.
16:35:29 -!- darm [~darm@fw1sar.gprsrus.net] has joined #across
He admits.
16:36:05 < darm> ok start those 1000 private messages now :S
16:36:56 < darm> (17:24:04) <wound> i have a friend maybe u know him.. Ezhikus, he has some friend too and that friend`s brother is programmer or whatever, so he gave them elma and that brother hanged something in elma.exe, they say it took him not more than 30 mins:S and elma ez became saveloady.. now ask yourself what would u do being a noob and having such a tool near... well ye i was mongo and started using it :/ now when all revealed i`am even happy... cuz that wasnt pleasant of fun
16:37:36 < Vis_ions> I have a question to darM...what did you do with the 130 Euro you got from Luther :)
16:37:52 < darm> i bought cellphone
16:38:20 < LutherICE> consider them a "gift". Though I am not very happy about it, as u understand danil.
16:38:32 < darm> sorry tomas
16:39:51 < darm> luther u bought some styles at least
16:38:32 < Abula> darm: are youu any good in elma at all?
16:38:47 < darm> like 38-39 tt i can make...
16:38:59 < Abula> could you pleas send your program to me, abula@moposite.com
16:39:16 < darm> its not a programm actually just a changed elma.exe...
16:40:31 < Abula> darm: do you know about daemon
16:40:40 < darm> only from lauta
16:42:08 < Abula> dmd: can we spread your recs? as a history of cheating
16:42:21 < darm> no, cuz some styles are not mine...
16:42:50 < Abula> well some of them?
16:45:41 < zamppe152> actually why the hell do i even care, i dont play internals, just keep wth secret if you can
16:47:44 < zamppe152> ok i go through darms wrs and old wrs and say which is ok to me
16:53:08 < zamppe152> all but labyrinth, haircut, wth, slalom,sink, gravity, apple h
16:42:55 < axxu> darm u had multiwr with as, was that cheated too?
16:43:01 < darm> no
17:02:26 < Cloud`> so those multi wrs were real if as didn't know?
17:02:44 < darm> multi wr we had was real
16:45:48 < normanCOS> but... are there some wrs you didnt cheat?
16:45:56 < darm> no
16:43:58 < normanCOS> darm, did you cheat battles?
16:44:34 < darm> norman: not all
16:52:53 < ribodt> darmoed: how much time does it take to make a cheating rec? what software do you use?
17:15:01 < darm> about time... it depends on level
17:15:19 < darm> but not more than 1 day
17:15:19 < darm> some hours...
17:15:35 < darm> that no alovolt thing ate much time
16:55:09 < ribodt> so darm what's so good about ppl thinking you're best when in fact you're not?
16:54:47 <@Abula> dmd: are you that poor as yuou have showed?
16:54:55 < darm> yep
16:57:07 < cyre> dame, do you really have tuberculosis? :S
16:57:37 < darm> yep
16:57:43 < cyre> okay :/
16:57:49 < darm> almost healed nowdays tho but not 100%...
16:57:54 < darm> have it more for that a year now
16:59:45 < Cloud`> darm, without other ppl's style and cheat could u have made any wrs at all?
16:59:54 < darm> i could
16:59:49 < mengerle> darm: your biggest mistake was 7 wrs + wcup event win in one week
17:00:16 < darm> mengerle: my biggest mistake was start cheating... not being caught
17:00:29 < cyre> darm, why bother with that tuning thing? ;)
17:00:38 < darm> it helps
17:00:42 < darm> and i used it
17:05:32 < darm> btw that saveload didnt support alovolt so it wasnt ez to make wrs ok :/
17:06:24 < darm> i pressed left+right
17:06:27 < darm> thousand of times
17:01:20 < yoosef> darm, how many ppl knew that u was cheating ?
17:01:52 < darm> i didnt tell anyone
17:02:11 < darm> well, Ezhikus and his friend maybe...
17:07:08 < Oleg-MIPT> Darm, when you started cheating?
17:07:17 < darm> when had 41-42 tt
17:07:08 < cyre> darm, what do you think, would you have ever told about the cheating if you hadn't gotten caught? or would you have taken the secret to your grave?
17:07:36 < darm> cyre: hard to asnwer :+
17:07:36 < eyals> darm are you planning to restart playing clean?
17:07:47 < darm> nope
17:07:55 < LutherICE> Darm, you suspect other people cheating as well?
17:08:11 < darm> luther duno
17:03:41 <@Abula> darm: how much did you play when you won wcup event and 7 wrs etc?
17:09:25 < darm> abula: all days long
17:09:41 < jaytea> darm, wanna help with anti-cheating now maybe?
17:09:54 < darm> i didnt make that cheat by myself so no help from me...
17:12:14 < LutherICE> Darm, Were you ever scared or felt you were about getting caught? Like when you felt you made "inhuman" achievements: 7wrs and wcup victory as an example.
17:12:35 < darm> luther: ofcourse i was
17:13:19 < LutherICE> Darm, why didn't you stop before you knew people would be suspicious (20+wrs)?
17:13:59 < darm> luther: when u start u cant stop
17:14:10 <@Abula> darm: did you do your best at all? you didnt limit your results?
17:14:37 < darm> abu: no i didnt
17:31:52 <@Abula> darm: do you cheat in CS?
17:32:03 < darm> abula: nope
17:32:44 < darm> i cheated in painkiller too, i admit :/
16:35:29 -!- darm [~darm@fw1sar.gprsrus.net] has joined #across
He admits.
16:36:05 < darm> ok start those 1000 private messages now :S
16:36:56 < darm> (17:24:04) <wound> i have a friend maybe u know him.. Ezhikus, he has some friend too and that friend`s brother is programmer or whatever, so he gave them elma and that brother hanged something in elma.exe, they say it took him not more than 30 mins:S and elma ez became saveloady.. now ask yourself what would u do being a noob and having such a tool near... well ye i was mongo and started using it :/ now when all revealed i`am even happy... cuz that wasnt pleasant of fun
16:37:36 < Vis_ions> I have a question to darM...what did you do with the 130 Euro you got from Luther :)
16:37:52 < darm> i bought cellphone
16:38:20 < LutherICE> consider them a "gift". Though I am not very happy about it, as u understand danil.
16:38:32 < darm> sorry tomas
16:39:51 < darm> luther u bought some styles at least
16:38:32 < Abula> darm: are youu any good in elma at all?
16:38:47 < darm> like 38-39 tt i can make...
16:38:59 < Abula> could you pleas send your program to me, abula@moposite.com
16:39:16 < darm> its not a programm actually just a changed elma.exe...
16:40:31 < Abula> darm: do you know about daemon
16:40:40 < darm> only from lauta
16:42:08 < Abula> dmd: can we spread your recs? as a history of cheating
16:42:21 < darm> no, cuz some styles are not mine...
16:42:50 < Abula> well some of them?
16:45:41 < zamppe152> actually why the hell do i even care, i dont play internals, just keep wth secret if you can
16:47:44 < zamppe152> ok i go through darms wrs and old wrs and say which is ok to me
16:53:08 < zamppe152> all but labyrinth, haircut, wth, slalom,sink, gravity, apple h
16:42:55 < axxu> darm u had multiwr with as, was that cheated too?
16:43:01 < darm> no
17:02:26 < Cloud`> so those multi wrs were real if as didn't know?
17:02:44 < darm> multi wr we had was real
16:45:48 < normanCOS> but... are there some wrs you didnt cheat?
16:45:56 < darm> no
16:43:58 < normanCOS> darm, did you cheat battles?
16:44:34 < darm> norman: not all
16:52:53 < ribodt> darmoed: how much time does it take to make a cheating rec? what software do you use?
17:15:01 < darm> about time... it depends on level
17:15:19 < darm> but not more than 1 day
17:15:19 < darm> some hours...
17:15:35 < darm> that no alovolt thing ate much time
16:55:09 < ribodt> so darm what's so good about ppl thinking you're best when in fact you're not?
16:54:47 <@Abula> dmd: are you that poor as yuou have showed?
16:54:55 < darm> yep
16:57:07 < cyre> dame, do you really have tuberculosis? :S
16:57:37 < darm> yep
16:57:43 < cyre> okay :/
16:57:49 < darm> almost healed nowdays tho but not 100%...
16:57:54 < darm> have it more for that a year now
16:59:45 < Cloud`> darm, without other ppl's style and cheat could u have made any wrs at all?
16:59:54 < darm> i could
16:59:49 < mengerle> darm: your biggest mistake was 7 wrs + wcup event win in one week
17:00:16 < darm> mengerle: my biggest mistake was start cheating... not being caught
17:00:29 < cyre> darm, why bother with that tuning thing? ;)
17:00:38 < darm> it helps
17:00:42 < darm> and i used it
17:05:32 < darm> btw that saveload didnt support alovolt so it wasnt ez to make wrs ok :/
17:06:24 < darm> i pressed left+right
17:06:27 < darm> thousand of times
17:01:20 < yoosef> darm, how many ppl knew that u was cheating ?
17:01:52 < darm> i didnt tell anyone
17:02:11 < darm> well, Ezhikus and his friend maybe...
17:07:08 < Oleg-MIPT> Darm, when you started cheating?
17:07:17 < darm> when had 41-42 tt
17:07:08 < cyre> darm, what do you think, would you have ever told about the cheating if you hadn't gotten caught? or would you have taken the secret to your grave?
17:07:36 < darm> cyre: hard to asnwer :+
17:07:36 < eyals> darm are you planning to restart playing clean?
17:07:47 < darm> nope
17:07:55 < LutherICE> Darm, you suspect other people cheating as well?
17:08:11 < darm> luther duno
17:03:41 <@Abula> darm: how much did you play when you won wcup event and 7 wrs etc?
17:09:25 < darm> abula: all days long
17:09:41 < jaytea> darm, wanna help with anti-cheating now maybe?
17:09:54 < darm> i didnt make that cheat by myself so no help from me...
17:12:14 < LutherICE> Darm, Were you ever scared or felt you were about getting caught? Like when you felt you made "inhuman" achievements: 7wrs and wcup victory as an example.
17:12:35 < darm> luther: ofcourse i was
17:13:19 < LutherICE> Darm, why didn't you stop before you knew people would be suspicious (20+wrs)?
17:13:59 < darm> luther: when u start u cant stop
17:14:10 <@Abula> darm: did you do your best at all? you didnt limit your results?
17:14:37 < darm> abu: no i didnt
17:31:52 <@Abula> darm: do you cheat in CS?
17:32:03 < darm> abula: nope
17:32:44 < darm> i cheated in painkiller too, i admit :/
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so darmoed suddenly went completely ignorant? i dont think so (i'm dectectif). sounds like normal "please-spare-me"-lie. well it's not strange that he's a good liar, not really bothered with fooling ppl.Zweq wrote:EDIT: darm wanted me to add this
<wound> anyway the guy who made it just edited something at elma.exe and said "if someone has basic programing skills then he can EZ make same" so i thought that most best guys use it :S
also in the above post he says he has tbc, dunno if it's a joke or not, but just because he admitted to cheating doesn't mean he won't lie. seems to me he'll lie about anything that will make him look as an as good person as possible, without remorse. (three "as" in one sentence, wow).
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Darm was lucky to have gotten the plague, it made sure he didn't have to go to army.
I doubt he could have save-loaded his way out of the russian army.
I doubt he could have save-loaded his way out of the russian army.
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Hi all
Yeepee! Great news! Huge congratulations to Milagros, this is the best thing that could happen to elma! Now the WR tables will look much better without that cheater. dz and TorInge are still the bst
Thanks again mila.
(cloud, tor & mj: i have done more, see you soon if i have adsl and my computer :/)
Yeepee! Great news! Huge congratulations to Milagros, this is the best thing that could happen to elma! Now the WR tables will look much better without that cheater. dz and TorInge are still the bst
That's the way programmers talk, they only count the amount of real activity. Making my saveload took about 1 afternoon, but i already knew much about elma (though i didn't know about the greatest disasm yet. Won't tell you which one, Abula would say i help cheaters).Abula wrote:So DarMoeD joined #across.
[...]they say it took him not more than 30 mins:S and elma ez became saveloady.. [...]
Disgusting.DarMoeD wrote: 16:37:36 < Vis_ions> I have a question to darM...what did you do with the 130 Euro you got from Luther
16:37:52 < darm> i bought cellphone
16:38:20 < LutherICE> consider them a "gift". Though I am not very happy about it, as u understand danil.
16:38:32 < darm> sorry tomas
16:39:51 < darm> luther u bought some styles at least
lol, me too. I just don't have the 48h per day to play as much as i virtually play with saveload. FYI i think i am better with my cheat than dmd was with his (as long as you give me styles, though), because i broke several WRs very quickly when i came on #ic-team to watch replays (tor and cloud were very nice to share recs with me when i paid a visit from time to time) But that may mean i'm only better for using the cheat or my cheat is better. Drove 53.xx from cloud's 59.xx in bowling, 47.xx from deadelous wr in lev 48 (don't remember the name :/), 1:17.xx in animal farm from cloud's 1:19.xx, and 39.8x in 1 hour after cloud shew me his 44.xx in quick round. And i really didn't play much, most of the time i had to copy elma back to my hard drive on saturday and removed it at the end of the week end.DarMoeD wrote: 16:38:32 < Abula> darm: are youu any good in elma at all?
16:38:47 < darm> like 38-39 tt i can make...
Funny, that's also when we started getting replays from you, ie. we'll never know whether it's true. You could have started when you had 46 and quickly went down to 43 then 41. Which you explained to me with "well, people change" (or something like that, i have the IRC log on my computer which is in a box right now :/). Since that i've always thought there was something wrong with you and never liked to see your name on WR tables (that was when you got 39 tt IIRC).DarMoeD wrote: 17:07:08 < Oleg-MIPT> Darm, when you started cheating?
17:07:17 < darm> when had 41-42 tt
Thanks again mila.
(cloud, tor & mj: i have done more, see you soon if i have adsl and my computer :/)
Helo, came home from the 2week army and ez today read moposite, so lol, i had my toughts, got them around wc4-04 when i really started to think he cheated. omg this is so lol duno what to say, ez better wc4 results. Well well, ez gratz to all new wr's then in future O_O
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Ok, but now I should respect him later, not you...I've always said he was a cheater and a mongo.
5th, after John. (even 4th now when DMD is gone)
So, what's wrong, man?Darm, you were one of my best idols..
no com, but LOL!a normal job even in russia would pay more I guess..
Sorry for him, he did a fking mistake, I think...
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Thank You Tomas, you know whyLuther wrote:I've always said he was a cheater and a mongo.
and WTF at the same time ;p
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Update:
I spoke with Dameon just before and this is what he had to say:
I spoke with Dameon just before and this is what he had to say:
cheers<SlenderB> is it true?
<DN_AC> no
<DN_AC> i never used autoplay or any other fucking cheat progs
<SlenderB> Abula is 100% though.........
<DN_AC> he wait for mila, i think
<SlenderB> have you posted in that thread yet?
<DN_AC> ye
<SlenderB> ok
<DN_AC> i sent all my internal replays to Abula yesterday
<SlenderB> I hope what you say is true
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Hi all!
Things that happened are awful (Brrrrr…)
But I think that we shouldn’t be so angry.
As I know DMD never said he was coolest. He understood he hadn’t right to do it.
Cheating is something like drugs: if you try it you can’t stop. It’s a sickness. I don’t hate him, I’m very sorry for him. But it can’t be forgotten.
I think that to ban somebody for 1 year is not right. It’s to much. Abula, you should imagine something else. It’s only when a person is caught for the first time. If he will not understand, he must be banned.
My idea: money. If you are caught for the first time, you should pay some money to be allowed to play more. And If you are caught for the 2nd, 3rd time, you’ll be banned for 1 year and be able to return also if you pay some fine. It’s common situation. It can be extended.
Maybe it’s a bit fully, but in one year nobody will return. It’s psychology.
Things that happened are awful (Brrrrr…)
But I think that we shouldn’t be so angry.
As I know DMD never said he was coolest. He understood he hadn’t right to do it.
Cheating is something like drugs: if you try it you can’t stop. It’s a sickness. I don’t hate him, I’m very sorry for him. But it can’t be forgotten.
I think that to ban somebody for 1 year is not right. It’s to much. Abula, you should imagine something else. It’s only when a person is caught for the first time. If he will not understand, he must be banned.
My idea: money. If you are caught for the first time, you should pay some money to be allowed to play more. And If you are caught for the 2nd, 3rd time, you’ll be banned for 1 year and be able to return also if you pay some fine. It’s common situation. It can be extended.
Maybe it’s a bit fully, but in one year nobody will return. It’s psychology.
McElast I disagree, he knew perfecly well of the punishment of cheating but
cheated anyway and must therefore face the consequence.
A one year ban is sufficient, but a life-time ban would be even better.
The way you would like it to be makes it look like cheating is acceptable,
and something you do undeliberatly.
I think it's good that darm is finally revealed so that he can move on
with his life and stop wasting time on creating a fake image of himself.
cheated anyway and must therefore face the consequence.
A one year ban is sufficient, but a life-time ban would be even better.
The way you would like it to be makes it look like cheating is acceptable,
and something you do undeliberatly.
I think it's good that darm is finally revealed so that he can move on
with his life and stop wasting time on creating a fake image of himself.