how to pronounce stonehenge

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 6 Oct 2011, 13:44

[stounhenz<:$]

jonsykkel · Post by **jonsykkel** » 6 Oct 2011, 13:58

http://up.k10x.net/xcogqtctigzel/stonehenge.wav

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 6 Oct 2011, 14:26

stini hongy

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 6 Oct 2011, 17:04

stołnhencz

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 6 Oct 2011, 17:25

http://www.forvo.com/word/stonehenge/#en

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 6 Oct 2011, 17:31

listen to GeauxTigers pronunciation, it's max :D

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 6 Oct 2011, 20:59

jonharkulsykkel wrote:http://up.k10x.net/xcogqtctigzel/stonehenge.wav

That was obviously Finnish version, but I wander why would anyone pronounce teh in Finnish o_O

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 6 Oct 2011, 21:53

Impossible to write pronounciation, since letters are different in each language

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 7 Oct 2011, 02:54

IPA: /s/t/oʊ/n. - /h/e/n/dʒ/

Stone henj

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 7 Oct 2011, 10:41

jonharkulsykkel wrote:http://up.k10x.net/xcogqtctigzel/stonehenge.wav

The best pronunciation ever. xD

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 7 Oct 2011, 13:50

Axxually it's stounhendsh. End of topic.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 7 Oct 2011, 15:48

How to pronounce pro bounce

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 7 Oct 2011, 18:14

http://translate.google.com/#en|pl|pro%20bounce%0A
"Listen"

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 7 Oct 2011, 22:20

proubauns

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 8 Oct 2011, 05:15

/p/r/oʊ/ - /b/aʊ/n/s/

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 8 Oct 2011, 14:59

I challenge Haruhi to find the IPA for "höylä".

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 8 Oct 2011, 15:56

How i pronounce it:

/h/ɔɪ/l/a/

But i know it's something like /h/eɪ/l/a/ or something like that. Never heard finnish pronunciation

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 8 Oct 2011, 17:50

Tip: there are no "o", "i" or "a" sounds, or anything close to them.

Bludek · Post by **Bludek** » 8 Oct 2011, 18:20

pls someone (other than jon, he's too pro translator) upload proper pronunciation of "hoyla"

I'm kinda curious how to say it correctly.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 8 Oct 2011, 18:37

http://up.k10x.net/teabyxoreesdm/hoyla.wma (sorry, megashit laptop mic)

/h/œ/y/l/æ/

p.s. notice pro teabyxor url

p.p.s. i had to lean in as close to mic as possible and background noise from laptop is still audible. imagine when i have to crank volume up so others can hear it normally when i don't lean in... i sound like a tractor. that's why i don't skype.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 8 Oct 2011, 19:56

I have it on repeat, MAX :DDDDDD

roope · Post by **roope** » 9 Oct 2011, 00:55

made one too ages ago: http://up.k10x.net/vafjojwszytkc/hoyl.mp3
(even worse mic)

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 01:22

Awesome. Anyone else wanna contribute to Pawq's höylä playlist?

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 9 Oct 2011, 06:25

Now, where is SveinR's pronunciation of elma nicks I wander...

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 09:16

Lousku wrote:http://up.k10x.net/teabyxoreesdm/hoyla.wma (sorry, megashit laptop mic)

/h/œ/y/l/æ/

p.s. notice pro teabyxor url

p.p.s. i had to lean in as close to mic as possible and background noise from laptop is still audible. imagine when i have to crank volume up so others can hear it normally when i don't lean in... i sound like a tractor. that's why i don't skype.

Actually the way you and rooples pronounce teh is:

/h/œ/y/l/a/

So i was only one sound off

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 09:43

Haruhi wrote:Actually the way you and rooples pronounce teh is:

/h/œ/y/l/a/

So i was only one sound off

Noep, it's æ. There's only one way to pronounce each vowel in Finnish, and ä corresponds with æ. Wouldn't you say it's much closer to this than this (sound samples on the right)?

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 9 Oct 2011, 10:22

say: "hoyl at" feels difficult to combine back and front vowel, hence you say "höyl at", then you dont pronounce the 't' and you got a höylä. You'll probably try to say hojlä or something. heh, should use phonology instead of letters

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 11:23

Lousku wrote:
Haruhi wrote:Actually the way you and rooples pronounce teh is:

/h/œ/y/l/a/

So i was only one sound off
Noep, it's . There's only one way to pronounce each vowel in Finnish, and ä corresponds with æ. Wouldn't you say it's much closer to this than this (sound samples on the right)?

In both sound clips you guys uploaded the sound produced was an "uh" sound such as in "pizza" rather than an "a" sound such as in "cat"

I don't know whether that's on purpose or the finnish accent is just stupid, but you guys definitely use /a/ not /æ/

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 12:40

Haruhi wrote:In both sound clips you guys uploaded the sound produced was an "uh" sound such as in "pizza" rather than an "a" sound such as in "cat"

The "a" in "cat" is not an "a" sound at all, since we're talking about phonology. Maybe it's hard for you to hear the difference as an Aussie, but consider this:

Lousku wrote:There's only one way to pronounce each vowel in Finnish, and ä corresponds with æ.

and the fact that any Finn will agree that our pronunciation is correct. Source for that quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%84

Wikipedia wrote:In Finnish and Turkmen this is always [æ]

Also, I'm pretty sure I know my own language. ;)

Haruhi wrote:I don't know whether that's on purpose or the finnish accent is just stupid, but you guys definitely use /a/ not /æ/

It's not about accents, since this is about phonology.

Haruhi, maybe make your own recording. I can imagine you'd say "höyla", since you're not used to hearing a difference between a and ä. If you're able to pronounce it somewhat correctly, then I have no idea where you're coming from.

Also, inb4 "arguing on the internet yada yada". Phonology and shit is interesting to me.

(made a couple of edits after posting)

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 12:58

Lousku wrote:
Haruhi wrote:In both sound clips you guys uploaded the sound produced was an "uh" sound such as in "pizza" rather than an "a" sound such as in "cat"
The "a" in "cat" is not an "a" sound at all, since we're talking about phonology. Maybe it's hard for you to hear the difference as an Aussie, but consider this:
Lousku wrote:There's only one way to pronounce each vowel in Finnish, and ä corresponds with æ.
and the fact that any Finn will agree that our pronunciation is correct.
Haruhi wrote:I don't know whether that's on purpose or the finnish accent is just stupid, but you guys definitely use /a/ not /æ/
It's not about accents, since this is about phonology.

Haruhi, maybe make your own recording. I can imagine you'd say "höyla", since you're not used to hearing a difference between a and ä. If you're able to pronounce it somewhat correctly, then I have no idea where you're coming from.

Also, inb4 "arguing on the internet yada yada". Phonology and shit is interesting to me.

I'll try recording my own, gimme some time find equipment etc.

Accent does matter. For instance, a redneck will title himself as a "redneck" and it will sound like "reyadneck" whereas an upper-class british accent would pronounce it as "red neck"

Brb finding Mic + software

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 13:00

Haruhi wrote:Accent does matter. For instance, a redneck will title himself as a "redneck" and it will sound like "reyadneck" whereas an upper-class british accent would pronounce it as "red neck"

I meant that IPA is accent-neutral.

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 13:08

Yes i know, what i mean is that what i'm perceiving as you saying the /æ/ sound is sounding to me like an /a/ sound merely because i am unused to your accent

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 13:10

Allright. Can't wait for your recording. =D

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 13:25

How i pronounce it and always have pronounced it (/h/ɔɪ/l/a/):

http://up.k10x.net/qnwycyycnbymf/Haruhoyla1.mp3

How i hear you and roope pronouncing it and how i would pronounce (/h/œ/y/l/a/):

http://up.k10x.net/gzstflbjrftqp/Haruhoyla2.mp3

A third one with how i would pronounce your IPA representation. (/h/œ/y/l/æ/):

http://up.k10x.net/sejyerppztfsq/Haruhoyla3.mp3

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 13:51

Hahah, better than I expected. =D

The second file is a bit on the border of "a" and "ä", but it's much more towards "a" than ours. I'll still blame the fact that you're not used to a clear difference between the two sounds. Wikipedia wouldn't lie. ;) The last one is pretty much spot on. Nice job. =D

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 13:56

haha. Had to edit the last file a bit because got very loud for the last bit, so quietened it a little.

Had fun recording these. Wonder what other things there are to say though.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 14:13

Takes a bit of nerve from you to say we're pronouncing our own language wrong, but I'm glad we could go about this like civilised people. :D

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Oct 2011, 14:19

Lousku wrote:Takes a bit of nerve from you to say we're pronouncing our own language wrong, but I'm glad we could go about this like civilised people.

Haha you misunderstand me. I think you apply IPA wrong, not pronounce finnish wrong

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 14:24

Haruhi wrote:
Lousku wrote:Takes a bit of nerve from you to say we're pronouncing our own language wrong, but I'm glad we could go about this like civilised people. :D
Haha you misunderstand me. I think you apply IPA wrong, not pronounce finnish wrong :)

I understood that, but our pronunciation is simply correct (ask anyone who knows Finnish), and Wikipedia states that ä is always æ. Therefore we say it correctly with æ, right? :) Yes, I have blind faith in Wikipedia.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 14:32

Google Translate is neutral. It's programmed to say æ, and this is what it sounds like: http://translate.google.com/#fi|en|h%C3%B6yl%C3%A4. Does that seal the deal for you, or do you hear some significant difference between our recordings and the sound sample from that link?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 9 Oct 2011, 19:20

get jobs guys

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 9 Oct 2011, 21:27

Lousku wrote:Also, inb4 "arguing on the internet yada yada". Phonology and shit is interesting to me.

Far too lazy for a job. :)

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 14 Oct 2011, 21:52

it would be cool though for kuskis from everywhere around the world to record their pronounciation of elma words and nicks so you guys can laugh at French Canadian accent

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 14 Oct 2011, 21:53

You start.

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 14 Oct 2011, 22:13

I do.

http://up.k10x.net/zjziowimtvtws/Bismut ... mazing.zip

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 14 Oct 2011, 22:31

a few differences with me, but most are same pronunciations

Post by **SveinR** » 14 Oct 2011, 23:00

Boomer wrote:Now, where is SveinR's pronunciation of elma nicks I wander...

Surprised anyone remembers this..

Here it is: http://www.home.no/sveinrune/nicks.mp3

No höylä there though, unfortunately ;x

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 15 Oct 2011, 01:49

Jappe was roflest in Bismuth's pack. Also funney how everyone misses roope's e and second o. =)

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 15 Oct 2011, 03:15

in French J's are said like that, and E's at the end of words are never pronounced, that's why it sounds so weird to you

roope · Post by **roope** » 15 Oct 2011, 04:44

http://www.2shared.com/file/ZbbgtrRu/pr ... roope.html

though sometimes I pronounce nicks like they're pronounced in english, sometimes the finnish way