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Re: Best Internal Total Times (under 40 minutes)

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update no. 243

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,30; 1st)

35min TT
Zweq (-0,23s; 3rd)
Bjenn (-1,30s; 5th)

37min TT
Tm (-9,66s; 30th -> 26th)

38min TT
Labs (-5,31s; 50th -> 49th)
Dynamo (-12,50s; 55th -> 50th) *
roope (-11,63s; 57th -> 53rd)
Hosp (-0,93s; 61st -> 60th)
AndrY (-10,63s; 71st -> 62nd; joined 38mins club)

39min TT
ANATOLIY (-1,63s; 74th)
pawq (-18,78s; 95th -> 80th)
Stini (-6,80s; 86th -> 81st)
Haruhi (-7,92s; 98th -> 93rd)

added TTs of:
Fejm (119th)
Thunder (124th)

* Dynamo's TT was previously sourced from elmastats, but AndrY pointed out that he had a better one on Mopolauta. I've put the date of update as 26 Apr 2015, as that's the date he was last logged into Mopolauta, and the elmastats TT was from 2014.

Changed Hosp's team from WoW to MiE

Updated source counts



Congrats on improvements everyone, especially AndrY for another minute break! As always, let's keep on höyling! :beer:
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update no. 244

updated WR TT (-0,69s)

updated WR counts:
+1: finman, Spef
-1: Kazan:

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-2,80s; 1st)

35min TT
Kazan (-0,26s; 2nd)
Zweq (-2,97s; 3rd)
Bjenn (-0,64s; 5th)
talli (-0,27s; 7th)

36min TT
Mielz (-6,89s; 8th)
Raven (-1,04s; 9th)
finman (-1,62s; 14th -> 13th)

37min TT
Tm (-17,75s; 26th -> 25th)
Kulisty (-0,01s; 32nd)

38min TT
jblaze (-9,07s; 41st -> 40th)
roope (-0,35s; 53rd -> 54th)
AndrY (-5,12s; 62nd -> 58th)

39min TT
ANATOLIY (-2,65s; 74th -> 73rd)
Grace (-16,99; 93th -> 76th)
pawq (1,80s; 80th -> 81st)
iltsu (-0,12s; 85th -> 86th)
Fejm (-22,63s; 120th -> 98th)
Mats (-2,08s; 108th -> 109th)

added TTs of:
Mira (51st)
mena (120th)
Ecchi (125th)

Changed badyl's nick to Kulisty
Changed Haruhi's nick to Grace

Updated source counts



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update no. 245

updated WR TT (-3,65s)

updated WR counts:
+2: Bjenn
+1: Spef
-1: Sla
-2: Zweq

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-8,61s; 1st)

35min TT
Zweq (-0,32s; 3rd)
Bjenn (-4,09s; 5th -> 4th)

36min TT
Raven (-1,48s; 9th)
finman (-0,68s; 13th)

37min TT
Kulisty (-0,18s; 32nd)

38min TT
jblaze (-0,18s; 40th)
Labs (-0,04s; 49th)
roope (-3,11s; 54th -> 53rd)

39min TT
Grace (-4,28s; 76th -> 74th)
iltsu (-0,06s; 87th)
Fejm (-0,29s; 98th)

Changed iltsu's team to EF

Updated source counts:
Elma Stats (48 -> 49)
Elma Online (5 -> 4)



Once again, well hoyled all :) Very impressive activity at the top, and no words for Spef...
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Well done, PawQ. :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
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Should I wait for an eventual WR update, or just update circa monthly regardless?
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pawq wrote: 6 Mar 2019, 10:12 Should I wait for an eventual WR update, or just update circa monthly regardless?
i'd say update alongside the wr table but if px stops updating monthly again then resume monthly updates
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How long till we decide he's not updating monthly anymore? :P
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ArZeNiK wrote: 6 Mar 2019, 13:45if px stops updating monthly
hes not even began. id say do your own pace pawq, once a month if you wish. poor idea if you wanna rely on pxs updates lol
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pawq wrote: 6 Mar 2019, 14:48 How long till we decide he's not updating monthly anymore? :P
if there's no status update in march i'd say
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update no. 246

updated WR TT (-0,08s)

updated WR counts:
+1: Spef
-1: Zweq

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,14s; 1st)

35min TT
Bjenn (-5,79s; 4th)

38min TT
Mira (-1,42s; 51st -> 50th)

39min TT
Grace (-5,71s; 74th -> 70th)

Updated source counts:
Elma Stats (49 -> 48)
Elma Online (4 -> 5)
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update no. 247

updated WR TT (-0,03s)

updated WR counts:
+1: Spef
-1: Zweq

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,43s; 1st)

37min TT
Kulisty (-0,06s; 32nd)

38min TT
Mira (-8,61s; 50th -> 45th)
Labs (-0,80s; 49th)

39min TT
mena (-1,75s; 120th -> 119th)

added TT of:
Arzenik (126th)



Updated source counts:
Elma Stats (48 -> 50)
Elma Online (5 -> 4)
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update no. 248

updated WR TT (-0,44s)

updated WR counts:
+2: Spef
-2: Bjenn

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,13s; 1st)

36min TT
Mielz (-2,59s; 8th)

37min TT
Kulisty (-0,19s; 32nd -> 31st)

38min TT
Mira (-5,90s; 45th -> 42nd)

39min TT
pawq (-9,03s; 81st -> 74th)
Arzenik (-4,03s; 126th -> 123rd)
Ecchi (-0,11s; 125th -> 126th)
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Just for the record, would be good to write down the dates when the first player gets under 34:50, 34:40 etc. I just noticed Spef got already the first one, max grats! Do you know the date when it happened?
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update no. 249

updated WR TT (-0,33s)

updated WR counts:
+1: Mielz
-1: Spef

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-1,22s; 1st)

35min TT
Kazan (-1,59s; 2nd)
Zweq (-1,16s; 3rd)
Bjenn (-3,93s; 4th)

36min TT
Mielz (-1,45s; 8th)
finman (-1,52s; 13th)

37min TT
Tm (-1,02s; 25th)
Leek (-0,92s; 27th)

38min TT
Mira (-1,77s; 42nd)
roope (-6,46s; 53rd -> 49th)
Labs (-0,14s; 49th -> 50th)
AndrY (-3,74s; 58th -> 57th)
Grace (-3,51s; 70th -> 66th; joined 38mins club)
pawq (-4,81s; 74th -> 71st; joined 38mins club)

39min TT
alvin (-3,16s; 72nd)
mena (-2,91s; 119th -> 114th)
Arzenik (-2,68s; 123rd -> 122nd)
Ecchi (-1,38s; 126th)

added TT of:
p-skript (108th)

Changed Alvin's nick to alvin and changed his team to [KFC]

Updated source counts:
Elma Online (4 -> 6)
MEMO (8 -> 7)
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update no. 250

updated WR TT (-0,28s)

updated WR counts:
+2: Zweq
-1: Madness, Spef

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,18s; 1st)
Kazan (-0,81s; 2nd; joined 34mins club)

35min TT
Zweq (-1,35s; 3rd)
Bjenn (-1,55s; 4th)

36min TT
Raven (-2,61s; 9th)
finman (-0,31s; 13th)
Tm (-36,94s; 25th -> 15th; joined 36mins club)

37min TT
Leek (-2,13s; 27th)

38min TT
Mira (-14,19s; 42nd -> 39th)
Labs (-3,75s; 50th -> 48th)
roope (-2,08s; 49th -> 50th)
Grace (-2,93s; 66th -> 64th)
pawq (-1,40s; 71st -> 67th)

39min TT
iltsu (-0,66s; 87th)
Fejm (-0,63s; 98th -> 97th)
p-skript (-7,93s; 108th -> 99th)
mena (-3,57s; 114th -> 110th)
Arzenik (-2,40s; 122nd -> 120th)

added TT of:
Kopaka (128th)

Updated source counts:
Elma Stats (50 -> 52)
Elma Online (6 -> 5)


Anniversary 250th update! Congratulations Kazan & Tm! Oh, and welcome to the table papa Kopaka! :beers:
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pawq wrote: 22 Dec 2019, 23:28 Tm (-36,94s; 25th -> 15th; joined 36mins club)
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update no. 251

updated WR TT (-0,44s)

updated WR counts:
+2: Kazan
-1: Bjenn, Spef

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,03s; 1st)
Kazan (-0,72s; 2nd)

36min TT
Tm (-15,51s; 15th -> 10th)
finman (-2,45s; 13th -> 14th)

37min TT
Kulisty (-0,07s; 31st)

38min TT
Mira (-2,35s; 39th)
Labs (-7,96s; 48th -> 43rd)
iltsu (-44,40s; 87th -> 52nd; joined 38mins club)
Grace (-0,38s; 64th -> 65th)

39min TT
Arzenik (-3,18s; 120th -> 113th)



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Also improved int33 12secs, int53 1.5s and int42 this week but they didnt make into update yet)
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update no. 252

updated WR TT (-0,19s)

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,19s; 1st)

35min TT
Bjenn (-0,79s; 4th)

36min TT
Tm (-0,79s; 10th)

37min TT
Leek (-3,00s; 27th)
Mira (-0,99s; 39th; joined 37mins club)

38min TT
iltsu (-19,57s; 52nd -> 42nd)

39min TT
p-skript (-0,53s; 99th)
Arzenik (-0,50s; 113th)



It might just be the first update of this list ever, where somebody broke a minute limit but didn't overtake anyone! Gz Mira, and everyone else :)
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update no. 253

updated TTs of:

35min TT
Zweq (-4.59s; 3rd)

36min TT
Mielz (-5,29s; 8th)
Tm (-15,56s; 10th -> 9th)
GRob (-20,69s; 15th -> 11th)

37min TT
jaytea (-1,54s; 32nd -> 30th)
Kulisty (-0,15s; 31st -> 32nd)
Labs (-20,11s; 44th -> 38th; joined 37mins club)
Mira (-0,18s; 39th)

38min TT
Honza (-4,51s; 50th -> 48th)
roope (-3,33s; 51st -> 49th)
Hosp (-2,53s; 63rd -> 61st)
ciph (-0,38s; 61st -> 62nd)
Juzam (-1,50s; 71st -> 68th)
alvin (-1,61s; 73rd -> 70th; joined 38mins club)

39min TT
TTechnik (-0,26s; 75th)
Astral (-0,64s; 81st -> 80th)
p-skript (-13,55s; 99th -> 88th)
Jokke (-3,14s; 103rd -> 100th)
Arzenik (-12,58s; 113th -> 101st)
Fugas (-0,25s; 116th)
Kopaka (-2,91s; 129th -> 126th)

added TT of:
Schumi (117th)
skint (130th)

updated source counts:
Elma Stats (52 -> 83)
Moposite (42 -> 24)
Elasto Mania Club (10 -> 8)
Elma Online (5 -> 4)
offline:
Elma Stats (old) (8 -> 6)
MEMO (7 -> 2)
Team WNO site (1 -> 0)



Note: many of the updated totals are not actual recent improvements, but come from the upload of a large Moposite state.dat archive to elmastats.

Please let me know if anyone spots any mistakes.
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sure York have 37tt? 38 everywhere hmm

also (mb asked somewgere already) is mopolauta believable source?

time to new update also mb (+teams uptdating)
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AndrY wrote: 6 Jun 2020, 07:37sure York have 37tt? 38 everywhere hmm
If it says Elma Club as source then it must've been 37 there at the time of the update. His TT there now is actually updated a few months more recently than in my table, who knows what happened since then, but I don't really want to touch old TTs.

Mopolauta is as believable as elmastats imo :shrug:

I'd be keen to update when a new WR table comes out, hopefully px wakes up from spring nap soon!
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Added a zip with historical tables since 27 Sep 2019 under the table in the first post. Thanks to Abula for the suggestion and to Kopaka for helping find a few of the oldest ones!
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you can delete Mika (the swedish one)'s 39:34.99
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- Mika had some eddi times as best (on elmastats can setup the nick of guy to select times from, but it was not setupared which made eddi times onto his elmastats also), i fixed it, luckily mika had some new eoltimes, so mika tt got better -> correct and current state on elmastats, ez update

- juzam state was incorrect (same problem with other guy in state) on elmastats, so i fixed juzam, he lost some time -> correct and current state on elmastats, ez fix on table

- fugas state was also incorrect on elmastats (same problem with other guy in state), so i fixed it, he lost some time -> correct and current state on elmastats, ez fix on table

- actually very looks like York had same problem (other guy in state with best time), so he later deleted these times, and thats why his tt is not better with fresh state (cannot be 100% sure as i dont have his old state) -> i would put the 38.09 one as correct for his total
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update no. 254

updated WR TT (-1,91s)

updated WR counts:
+2: Spef
+1: Mielz
-1: Bjenn
-2: Kazan

updated TTs of:

34min TT
Spef (-0,83s; 1st)
Kazan (-0,10s; 2nd)
Zweq (-0,91s; 3rd; joined 34mins club)

35min TT
John (-0,05s; 5th)
Mielz (-10,30s; 8th -> 7th; joined 35mins club)
talli (-1,28s; 7th -> 8th)

36min TT
Tm (-8,67s; 9th)
Raven (-3,99s; 10th)
finman (-1,31s; 15th -> 14th)
adi (-3,81s; 18th)

37min TT
Luther (-0,91s; 24th -> 23rd)
Mika (-0,34s; 23rd -> 24th)
Kiiwi (-1,53s; 26th)
jaytea (-0,09s; 30th)
Thundr- (-0,09s; 31st)
Mira (-4,57s; 39th -> 33rd)
Labs (-3,40s; 38th -> 34th)
jamppa (-0,86s; 40th)

38min TT
anpdad (-19,64s; 46th -> 41st)
iltsu (-1,84s; 43rd -> 44th)
Pab (-0,07s; 45th -> 46th)
roope (-2,80s; 49th -> 47th)
Hosp (-24,84s; 61st -> 50th)
trew (-5,38s; 52nd -> 51st)
zaraptor (-41,30s; 79th -> 54th; joined 38mins club)
p-skript (-39,01s; 88th -> 59th; joined 38mins club)
The Stig (-0,82s; 58th -> 60th)
alvin (-4,53s; 68th -> 67th)
Jalli (-0,07s; 66th -> 69th)
Igge (-0,07s; 72nd -> 73rd)
Juzam (+1,50s; 68th -> 74th) <- increased TT due to incorrect time fixes
Arzenik (-34,10s; 101st -> 76th; joined 38mins club)

39min TT
TTechnik (-0,80s; 75th -> 78th)
ANATOLIY (-1,65s; 76th -> 79th)
Astral (-2,03s; 80th -> 82nd)
Punxer (-20,09s; 103rd -> 87th)
Frosty (-0,26s; 91st -> 93rd)
J-sim (-0,16s; 95th -> 97th)
8-ball (-3,26s; 105th -> 104th)
Smygvild (-0,38s; 106th -> 107th)
petsen (-0,82s; 113th)
k0xx (-3,66s; 122nd -> 115th)
Schumi (-0,61s; 117th -> 118th)
Fugas (+0,25s; 116th -> 119th) <- increased TT due to incorrect time fixes
Kopaka (-6,80s; 126th -> 122nd)
Boomer (-4,61s; 129th -> 126th)
Jeppe (-0,01s; 124th -> 127th)
skint (-1,35s; 130th -> 131st)
Eddi (-1,51s; 133rd -> 132nd)

added TTs of:
Moszat (102nd)
JSmith (105th)
SveinR (133rd)

removed TT of:
Mika (104th) <- removed TT due to incorrect time fixes

changed talli's team to MiE
changed Raven's team to MiE
removed Luther's team
removed Leek's team
changed AndrY's team to .lev

updated source counts:
Elma Stats (83 -> 128)
Elasto Mania Club (8 -> 1)
Moposite (24 -> 0)
Elastosite II (3 -> 0)
MEMO (2 -> 0)
Team ICE site (1 -> 0)
Team 27 site (1 -> 0)
Team EF site (1 -> 0)

changed EOL to a bonus tag next to Elma Stats for those who have the same TT on elmaonline.net




Huge congrats to all improvers, some really sick achievements here! Please note that many of the updated totals are the result of lots of hard work by at least Labs and Arzenik (dunno if others contributed), who manually merged times from different sites for lots of kuskis and uploaded them to elmastats. Huge work guys, kudos, only a few left now that are not aligned between Elma Stats and this list (soon I'll be filing for unemployment!). I followed Labs' summary from his last post regarding Juzam, Fugas and Mika (who was sadly removed, RIP bruh), but I left _York as he is at the moment, since we don't have any confirmation for what happened to his times.

It's late and I'm tired and rushing it so there might be some mistakes in the table, please let me know if you spot any!

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Re: Best Internal Total Times (under 40 minutes)

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update no. 254b

updated TTs of:

36min TT
Tm (-0,78s; 9th)
finman (-1,39s; 14th)

38min TT
iltsu (-0,82s; 44th -> 43rd)
p-skript (-3,33s; 59th -> 57th)
ANATOLIY (-6,67s; 79th -> 73rd; joined 38mins club)

39min TT
JSmith (-0,53s; 105th)
Kopaka (-0,18s; 122nd)

updated source counts:
elmastats (128 -> 125)
Elma Online (4 -> 9)



I didn't realise that the TT list on elmaonline.net was not being updated anymore during the update, so here's a refresh that includes up-to-date TTs from elma.online (as well as any TT updates since the main update).
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Where my TT :O
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A.K.B. wrote: 22 Aug 2020, 06:33Where my TT :O
you did 39tt after aug 1th
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gentle reminder for pawq to pls update in some free time if poss
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gentle reminder for pawq to pls update in some free time if pos
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Yeha update would be TEH
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Status of Elasto Mania Total times (2024-04-29):

- "Elma Online" contains 910 total times [1]. 806 under 1h.
- "Elma Stats" contains 2166 total times. 1385 under 1h.
- "Elma Online" includes times driven in EOL (= verified times) and "Moposite Records" database (= based on trust, mostly).
- "Elma Stats" is based only on trust.
- Some players have better total times in "Elma Online", some in "Elma Stats".
- "Elasto Mania Club" contains 1 , "Mopolauta" 2, "Elma Stats (old) (offline)" 6 and "Elmasite (offline)" 3 better total times which are not included in "Elma Online" or "Elma Stats" [2].
- Arzenik, Labs and Markku are working on a project to insert all TTs from all sources known to the EOL database ("Elma Online").
- Currently there is no combined list of all total times from all known sources (after pawq stopped to update the combined list - Thanks to him to do the big work for over a decade!)

Ideal solution to get the combined list ASAP [3]:

1. Add a feature to The Script [4] to crawl data from "Elma Stats" also.
2. Add a feature to The Script to include data from a constant (for those 12 total times which are better in other sources).
3. Combine all data, sort and display in one big list where the source is visible too.
4. Divide sources to three levels of trust: verified (EOL), trusted source (Moposite etc. where state.dat was required and random tests were taken) and everything (when times can be easily cheated by changing the txt file like in "Elma Stats").
5. Add radio buttons to The Script to change the trust level.
6. Make a cronjob to fetch the html every Monday and save it as TT-list-{trust_level}-{date}.html

[1]: Current system doesn't allow taking a full page screenshot (because of technical reasons).
[2]: Source: viewtopic.php?p=163344#p163344
[3]: Before "Elma Online" contains all data and supports a printable format.
[4]: https://moposite.com/x/tt.html

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Current Elasto Mania World Total Times (2024-04-29):

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# Elasto Mania World (wild) Total Times Top-50 (2024-04-29)

 1.   Spef          34:43,19     (verified)
 2.   Zweq          34:56,01     (trusted source)
 3.   Kazan         34:58,45     (wild)               (trusted source: 34:59,09)
 4.   Bjenn         35:15,34     (wild)               (trusted source [Bjorn]: 35:15,62)
 5.   John          35:33,46     (trusted source)
 6.   Tm            35:40,03     (verified)
 7.   Madness       35:46,86     (trusted source)
 8.   Mielz         35:47,04     (trusted srouce)
 9.   talli         35:49,40     (trusted source)
10.   Raven         36:12,34     (wild)               (trusted source: 36:26,19)
11.   GRob          36:27:62     (wild)               (verified: 36:55,25)
12.   hehe          36:33,66     (verified)
13.   finman        36:36,07     (trusted source)
14.   TorInge       36:38,93     (trusted source)
15.   proDigy       36:41,26     (wild)               (trusted source: 36:46,32)
16.   Morgan        36:51,46     (wild)               (trusted source: 36:51,73)
17.   Zero          36:52,41     (verified)
18.   Sla           36:54,18     (wild)               (n/a)
19.   adi           36:54,21     (wild)               (trusted source: 36:54,72)
20.   iltsu         36:54,22     (verified)
21.   Lukazz        36:58,86     (wild)               (verified: 36:58,90)
22.   Cap           37:02,11     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:03,74)
23.   Kowal         37:03,04     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:15,34)
24.   Ramzi         37:13,43     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:44,78)
25.   Luther        37:24,11     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:27,06)
26.   Mika          37:24,47     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:11,13)
27.   Thor          37:25,39     (wild)               (n/a)
28.   Kiiwi         37:29,30     (trusted source)
29.   Leek          37:33,19     (trusted source)
30.   AKB           37:40,41     (wild)               (verified: 40:11,79)
31.   Labs          37:42,80     (trusted source)
32.   xp            37:46,37     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:47,81)
33.   Memphis       37:47,70     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:48,21)
34.   anpdad        37:49,94     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:00,97)
35.   Mira          37:50,39     (verified)
36.   Kejebra       37:51,63     (wild)               (verified: 38:20,18) (note: nick Thundr- is rumoured to be a same person)
37.   jaytea        37:52,25     (wild)               (verified: 49:16,38)
38.   Kulisty       37:53,63     (wild)               (verified: 37:56,58) (note: nick babyl in "Elma Stats" has exact same TT from exact same country [PL])
39.   Quinn         37:55,74     (trusted source)
40.   Kuper         37:56,29     (trusted source)
41.   axxu          37:56,74     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:56,78)
42.   York          37:56,82     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:21,22)
43.   Arzenik       37:58,07     (verified)
44.   OtorK         37:58,39     (wild)               (trusted source: 37:58,82)
45.   Jamppa        37:58,93     (trusted source)
46.   roope         37:59,42     (trusted source)
47.   BoneLESS      38:05,33     (trusted source)
48.   jblaze        38:12,39     (wild)               (verified: 38:12,56)
49.   igge          38:14,30     (wild)               (n/a)
50.   mr            38:15,33     (trusted source)

Bonus:

51.   milagros      38:20,43     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:23,24)
52.   trew          38:21,01     (trusted source)
53.   Honza         38:21,43     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:23,86)
54.   Pab           38:22,09     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:22,22)
55.   Markku        38:24,68     (trusted source)
56.   EMZ           38:25,90     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:51,98) (note: nick DaemoN is rumoured to be a same person)
57.   jxman         38:26,23     (wild)               (n/a)
58.   Hosp          38:25,84     (wild)               (verified: 38:27,41)
59.   Grace         38:30,96     (wild)               (trusted source: 38:38,03)
60.   zaraptor      38:31,01     (wild)               (trusted source: 39:12,65) (note: nick YEAHS in "Elma Stats")

## Sources

- https://elma.online/levels/packs/Int/total-times
- https://stats.sshoyer.net/tts.php
- <totals_20_08_01.jpeg>

## Reliability

Trust levels:

1) "Verified": All records have been driven in EOL. The server has verified the playing is
   authentic. The check has been exploited by DEATH in 2015 but the method is not public.
2) "Trusted source": All records driven either in EOL or in one of the trusted sources (including
   only "Moposite Records" in 2024-04-29). State.dats and occasional replays were manually 
   checked.
3) "Wild": Currently all the other sources are labeled as wild except EOL and Moposite
   (2024-04-29). For example, "Elma Stats" allows stats.txt files which can't be verified.

Overall the data reliability in the TT top-50 is high, somewhere close to 95 % or higher because
most of the players don't want to cheat no matter what. In addition most of the "wild" times are
backed by almost same verified or trusted time. The differencens are usually because of the record
systems have been evolved and accidental offline playing happened.
Same: https://moposite.com/x/tt_top-50_2024-04-29.txt
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# Elasto Mania Global Total Times u38 (2024-04-29) correct list

 1.   Spef          34:43,19
 2.   Zweq          34:56,01     
 3.   Kazan         34:59,09
 4.   Bjenn         35:15,34
 5.   John          35:33,46
 6.   Tm            35:40,03
 7.   Madness       35:46,86
 8.   Mielz         35:47,04
 9.   talli         35:49,40
10.   Raven         36:12,34
11.   GRob          36:27:62
12.   hehe          36:33,66
13.   finman        36:36,07
14.   TorInge       36:38,93
15.   proDigy       36:41,26
16.   Morgan        36:51,73
17.   Zero          36:52,41
18.   iltsu         36:54,22
19.   adi           36:54,40
20.   Lukazz        36:58,90
21.   Kowal         37:03,04
22.   Cap           37:03,74
23.   Ramzi         37:13,43
24.   Luther        37:24,11
25.   Thor          37:25,39
26.   Mika          37:27,29
27.   Kiiwi         37:29,30
28.   Leek          37:33,19
29.   Sla           37:35,70
30.   AKB           37:40,41
31.   Labs          37:42,80
32.   xp            37:46,37
33.   Memphis       37:48,21
34.   anpdad        37:49,94
35.   Mira          37:50,39
36.   Kejebra-      37:51,63
37.   jaytea        37:52,25
38.   Quinn         37:55,74
39.   Kuper         37:56,29
40.   Kulisty       37:56,58
41.   axxu          37:56,74
42.   York          37:56,82
43.   Arzenik       37:58,07
44.   OtorK         37:58,39
45.   Jamppa        37:58,93
46.   roope         37:59,42
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Labs wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:33 ...
Kazan, Morgan, Sla, adi, Lukazz, Cap, Mika, Memphis, Kulisty have worse times in this list than in "totals_20_08_01.jpeg" (the last list by pawq)
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Abula wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:39
Labs wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:33 ...
Kazan, Morgan, Sla, adi, Lukazz, Cap, Mika, Memphis, Kulisty have worse times in this list than in "totals_20_08_01.jpeg" (the last list by pawq)
Yes, what i made is the correct list (pawq one was incorrect, with offline non-legacy times in totals). All ppl have their legacy times in (before 2011.06.15 times) this, also all offline times removed after that.
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Labs wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:43
Abula wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:39
Labs wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:33 ...
Kazan, Morgan, Sla, adi, Lukazz, Cap, Mika, Memphis, Kulisty have worse times in this list than in "totals_20_08_01.jpeg" (the last list by pawq)
Yes, what i made is the correct list (pawq one was incorrect, with offline non-legacy times in totals). All ppl have their legacy times in (before 2011.06.15 times) this, also all offline times removed after that.
You mean "the correct list" excludes times driven offline after 2011-06-15?
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Abula wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:54
Labs wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:43
Abula wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:39
Labs wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 18:33 ...
Kazan, Morgan, Sla, adi, Lukazz, Cap, Mika, Memphis, Kulisty have worse times in this list than in "totals_20_08_01.jpeg" (the last list by pawq)
Yes, what i made is the correct list (pawq one was incorrect, with offline non-legacy times in totals). All ppl have their legacy times in (before 2011.06.15 times) this, also all offline times removed after that.
You mean "the correct list" excludes times driven offline after 2011-06-15?
Yes, as offline times after this date are not acceptable.
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What date is 2011-06-15?

- Saveload has existed (at least) since 2009-10-01.
- The first EOL battle in the database is organized in 2010-07-26.
- WRs are required to be played in EOL since 2011-06-23.
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Abula wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 19:06 What date is 2011-06-15?

- Saveload has existed (at least) since 2009-10-01.
- The first EOL battle in the database is organized in 2010-07-26.
- WRs are required to be played in EOL since 2011-06-23.
That date Smibusl got the light.
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Ok, thanks. That date didn't change much in practice because saveload already existed at that time and most of the players don't cheat anyway even if the tools are available.
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Well, smibusl was undetectable and public, while old saveload was detectable and not public. But its not working online, so thats why offline times after this doesnt count.
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And many old records before EOL can be state-edited cheats because not all replays were verified in Moposite.

The bottomline is that there is no ideal solution for the TT list. Even EOL times can be cheated. So the "wild" list is maybe 95-99 % true and if the trust level is set stricter (like EOL verification needed or Moposite light verification needed) the reliability doesn't improve much from that (because not many cheat anyway) (so maybe 97-99 %) but many true non-cheated total times would be ignored then.

The "wild" list is the most accurate list of the Elma Total times atm I'm pretty sure. But this list can't be official because new players can cheat easily. For that the trust level must be set to "verified" or "trusted source".
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Abula wrote: 29 Apr 2024, 20:54 And many old records before EOL can be state-edited cheats because not all replays were verified in Moposite.

The bottomline is that there is no ideal solution for the TT list. Even EOL times can be cheated. So the "wild" list is maybe 95-99 % true and if the trust level is set stricter (like EOL verification needed or Moposite light verification needed) the reliability doesn't improve much from that (because not many cheat anyway) (so maybe 97-99 %) but many true non-cheated total times would be ignored then.

The "wild" list is the most accurate list of the Elma Total times atm I'm pretty sure. But this list can't be official because new players can cheat easily. For that the trust level must be set to "verified" or "trusted source".
The problem for me was that offline times, also hooked bug times or times which made by other player but player didnt set nick when uploaded state etc.. in your "wild" list totals made these wild ones more inaccurate than they could be (as they just take the best total seen from a player of any source). Ive made my list to represent the actually most correct as it can be (fixed) total times, i dont say to change urs, u can handle ur list as it is (dont have to make mine as a moposite official).
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As far as I'm concerned, Abula now has my correct TT and Labs method has an incorrect TT that has never once accurately been my TT. IMO it's quite bizarre to call "correct" that which has never existed. Do with that contribution what you will.
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Grace wrote: 30 Apr 2024, 09:18 As far as I'm concerned, Abula now has my correct TT and Labs method has an incorrect TT that has never once accurately been my TT. IMO it's quite bizarre to call "correct" that which has never existed. Do with that contribution what you will.
If offline times are not taken out, then anyone can have any tt. U can take my my method incorrect if want, i just dont use times which are unacceptable.
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