Ancient Internals & Ancient LGR

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 20 Jun 2020, 07:39

Let me present to you some history. Balázs & Csaba levels from 1997, never made public before.

Ancient Internals for Elasto Mania

To get some prehistorical Across experience, we created the Ancient LGR for the levels. As you'll notice, this is not an average LGR. If you have ever played Slippery Slope, On Top or The Turnaround in Across 1.0, you know that those levels had different ground and sky textures, not to mention the flower itself. However, these levels had no Food or Killer objects.

This is how Across 1.0 looks like:

With the help of Elasto Mania Team, you are now privileged to see, how Across' never-before-seen graphical elements looked like before its initial release, technically, how Across most likely looked like in the Beta phase.

Ancient LGR (old objects)
Ancient LGR (default objects)

Due to the differences between Across and Elma, there are some limitations in the lgr.
- The maximum supported resolution is by the LGRs is

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****X768.

- Across has fixed sky texture, Elma applied them tiled, so it was impossible to perfectly replicate it, nevertheless we tried to provide the best experience possible

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 20 Jun 2020, 08:34

Wow! Where on Earth did you find them?

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 20 Jun 2020, 09:07

They have always been there (quote from the trailer

), but noone bothered... Daniel shared teh

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 20 Jun 2020, 09:15

cool! did you figure out the level format?

also, seems like there's food?

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 20 Jun 2020, 09:30

sunl helped me with the levels, the info is already shared
maybe he can giev more detailed info if you want. i am also aware how they worked, but sunl has more insider infos on tech

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 20 Jun 2020, 10:31

Very nice, Schumi! At least those new levels (Terrain Trip, Abstract Ride, Platform Stunts, Thorny Route and Declivitous) are very interesting! Got the same feeling like playing Across internals 22 years ago

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 20 Jun 2020, 21:33

Zig Zag level comparison: Ancient vs. Across

Zig Zag level comparison: Ancient vs. Elma

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 21 Jun 2020, 21:07

Serpents Tale level comparison: Ancient vs. Across

Serpents Tale level comparison: Ancient vs. Elma

Sik?

Which version do you think is the best? I vote on Across, despite the fact, that the Elma version is the faster...

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 22 Jun 2020, 10:18

I'm now sad that ancnt06 Terrain Trip didn't get a chance to go through 20 years of style evolution!(

Bludek · Post by **Bludek** » 22 Jun 2020, 11:10

I was feeling just that after seeing TM's rec on recszamppe :(

Some parts of that lev have those unique interal-like qualities that designers just do not design these days. It just makes me want to know what styles are possible at every part and hoyl it from midnight to the dawn.

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 24 Jun 2020, 11:16

Totally agree.

The most fantastic thing I can imagine is to find the development versions of all across and elasto mania levels. These levels we shared were made between across 1.0 and 1.2, so the very first ones are staying in mist...
I gonna share here a list soon about the last modification date of across levels. This will give a good insight of the development sequence.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 24 Jun 2020, 12:00

What.. Tarrain Trip is like every ff level from 2012

I did enjoy a couple of the other "new" levels.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 24 Jun 2020, 13:36

Kopaka wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 12:00What.. Tarrain Trip is like every ff level from 2012

These were my thoughts exactly

Literally a random 3-min cruise FF

Ruben · Post by **Ruben** » 24 Jun 2020, 13:48

During lev selection process he probably thought it was too similar to Headbanger, and chose Headbanger because it was more exciting.

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 24 Jun 2020, 19:39

So this is the last known states for Across Internal levels, worth checking

Technically a chronological order for creation.

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Uphill Battle	1995.11.17
Hangman	        1995.11.24
The Turnaround	1995.11.25
Expert System	1995.12.29
Islands in the Sky 1996.01.27
Quick Round	1996.01.27
Ramp Frenzy	1996.01.27
The Steppes	1996.04.05
On Top	        1996.05.29
Hill Legend	1996.06.01
Precarious	1996.06.13
Slippery Slope	1996.07.20
Flat Track	1996.07.22
Twin Peaks	1996.07.22
Long Haul	1996.07.22
Over and Under	1996.07.23
Warm Up	        1996.08.06
Circuitous	1996.08.15
Loop-de-Loop	1996.08.16
The Enigma	1996.10.04
Fair Trial	1996.10.19
Tunnel Terror	1997.02.04
Slalom       	1997.02.04
Hi-Flyer	1997.02.05

Arzenik · Post by **Arzenik** » 24 Jun 2020, 19:41

balazs probably discovered the hifly brutal style 1,5 years in development so he had to edit the level in order to make it as hard as possible

Post by **Abula** » 24 Jun 2020, 21:57

Schumi, can you post all new level maps here?

AndrY · Post by **AndrY** » 25 Jun 2020, 15:57

wow just checked levs

"thorny route" looks cool lev, why ist it an internal?

Kopaka wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 12:00 What.. Tarrain Trip is like every ff level from 2012 I did enjoy a couple of the other "new" levels.

"platform stunts" also seems strange)
"abstract ride" looks as usual 30-sec nablev

who made all these levs? csaba?
it isnt even looks like a parody to internals or internal designing style (as lost internals and so on)

hmm... i just thought, internal level design is just a design, no some secret in it. just ppl got used to internals, so they looks as a perfect standard. but its just levels:/

but where are levs: "fair trial", "slippery slope", "on top"? what is "the enigma" and "the turnaround"? pos to dl them in eol?

abruzzi · Post by **abruzzi** » 25 Jun 2020, 22:32

AndrY wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 15:57 hmm... i just thought, internal level design is just a design, no some secret in it. just ppl got used to internals, so they looks as a perfect standard. but its just levels:/

hmm.. no?

Arzenik · Post by **Arzenik** » 25 Jun 2020, 23:59

AndrY wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 15:57 but where are levs: "fair trial", "slippery slope", "on top"? what is "the enigma" and "the turnaround"? pos to dl them in eol?

acroldXX

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 26 Jun 2020, 09:56

pawq wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 13:36
Kopaka wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 12:00What.. Tarrain Trip is like every ff level from 2012
These were my thoughts exactly Literally a random 3-min cruise FF

The difference between internals and other levels is that the original designers were not influenced by any other mans. Thats why it will always be impossible to create a perfect int-like level. Btw its better than a random ff cuz it was made by Csaba

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 26 Jun 2020, 10:10

Levs from 90s have this authentic "EYAH i broke the level" feeling when you find a fast style / route because the levs are designed for safeplaying beginners. Doing shortcuts in modern overly designed levels doesn't give this authentic feeling at all.

Arzenik · Post by **Arzenik** » 26 Jun 2020, 13:03

Zweq wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 10:10 Levs from 90s have this authentic "EYAH i broke the level" feeling when you find a fast style / route because the levs are designed for safeplaying beginners. Doing shortcuts in modern overly designed levels doesn't give this authentic feeling at all.

when i first found the the platform stunt and thorny route SCs i felt like you

tej · Post by **tej** » 26 Jun 2020, 15:51

ArZeNiK wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 13:03
Zweq wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 10:10 Levs from 90s have this authentic "EYAH i broke the level" feeling when you find a fast style / route because the levs are designed for safeplaying beginners. Doing shortcuts in modern overly designed levels doesn't give this authentic feeling at all.
when i first found the the platform stunt and thorny route SCs i felt like you

When I found the thorny SC I thought "Damn, levmaker blind LOL"

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 27 Jun 2020, 11:33

tej wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 15:51
ArZeNiK wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 13:03
Zweq wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 10:10 Levs from 90s have this authentic "EYAH i broke the level" feeling when you find a fast style / route because the levs are designed for safeplaying beginners. Doing shortcuts in modern overly designed levels doesn't give this authentic feeling at all.
when i first found the the platform stunt and thorny route SCs i felt like you
When I found the thorny SC I thought "Damn, levmaker blind LOL"

Are you sure that you have found ALL the shortcuts?

The levmaker was maybe "blind" but I'd rather call the level a masterpiece

AndrY · Post by **AndrY** » 28 Jun 2020, 15:56

ArZeNiK wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 23:59
AndrY wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 15:57 but where are levs: "fair trial", "slippery slope", "on top"? what is "the enigma" and "the turnaround"? pos to dl them in eol?
acroldXX

ths)

slppery slope lev

Arzenik · Post by **Arzenik** » 28 Jun 2020, 16:27

AndrY wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 15:57 ths)

slppery slope lev

that is the only one out of all the scrapped ints i understand why is gone

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 28 Jun 2020, 16:38

I think it was a weird decision to put versions of ints with barely noticeable differences at the beginning of this pack. Or even to include them at all.The meat and potatoes is obviously in the new levs.

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 28 Jun 2020, 22:57

This was a mutual decision with Elasto Mania Team. Anyway, they supplied the levs...

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 29 Jun 2020, 07:24

kuchitsu wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 16:38 I think it was a weird decision to put versions of ints with barely noticeable differences at the beginning of this pack. Or even to include them at all.The meat and potatoes is obviously in the new levs.

Well, at least the zig zag in the ancient pack plays 100% differently and is a very good level, so obviously you didn't even try it.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 29 Jun 2020, 07:35

I like all the levels

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 29 Jun 2020, 11:14

hm wtf happened in Thorny Route? imposs time

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 29 Jun 2020, 18:49

Here is a better comparison for Circuitous and Enduro. According to my knowledge, Circuitous was made by Balázs and Csaba altered it as Enduro for Across 1.2

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 6 Jul 2020, 09:46

The three levels I tried are fun, 11-12 and 09. Abstract is a bit unpolished, but would have had potential for an interesting internal.

Post by **Abula** » 30 Sep 2020, 14:11

Finally tested the new levels. A few great ones! Wondering what's the reason not including them in the first place?

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 14 Jan 2022, 16:36

Since it is not a confidential information anymore, here the old names for some internal levels.

Serpents Tale: Number of the Beast (Across 1.2 source)
Animal Farm: Dinoszaurusz (Across 1.2 source)
Fruit in the Den: Apple in the Den (Across 1.2 source)
Enduro: Chute the Breeze (Across 1.2 source)
He He: HEHE (Across 1.2 source)
Headbanger: HeadBanger (Across 1.2 source)
Slalom: Long Drop (Across 1.0 Shareware EXE)
Loop-de-Loop: Loop the Loop (Across 1.0 Shareware EXE)
Labyrinth: Kisebb Hosszu (BAL01.LEV)

Which one do you prefer? :player_a:

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 17 Jan 2022, 16:05

Dinoszaurusz
not a fan of the other ones

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 17 Jan 2022, 19:47

I guess these namings came from Balázs and/or Csaba. Later on Dylan Cooper modified them.

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 10 Jun 2022, 21:04

Just realized that Slalom was originally called "Long Drop"

Post by **Abula** » 16 Apr 2024, 02:29

Schumi wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022, 21:04 Just realized that Slalom was originally called "Long Drop"

Source? Not in the google doc?

Possible to re-upload Ancient LGR? Speedrun video with the Ancient LGR?

Ancient internals creation dates?

Post by **Abula** » 16 Apr 2024, 02:56

Schumi wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 19:39 So this is the last known states for Across Internal levels, worth checking

Technically a chronological order for creation.

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Uphill Battle	1995.11.17
Hangman	        1995.11.24
The Turnaround	1995.11.25
Expert System	1995.12.29
Islands in the Sky 1996.01.27
Quick Round	1996.01.27
Ramp Frenzy	1996.01.27
The Steppes	1996.04.05
On Top	        1996.05.29
Hill Legend	1996.06.01
Precarious	1996.06.13
Slippery Slope	1996.07.20
Flat Track	1996.07.22
Twin Peaks	1996.07.22
Long Haul	1996.07.22
Over and Under	1996.07.23
Warm Up	        1996.08.06
Circuitous	1996.08.15
Loop-de-Loop	1996.08.16
The Enigma	1996.10.04
Fair Trial	1996.10.19
Tunnel Terror	1997.02.04
Slalom       	1997.02.04
Hi-Flyer	1997.02.05

Is this 100 % because the zip I have: 05 (Uphill Battle), 16 (Hangman), 14 (Slippery Slope, not Turnaround?), 24 (Expert S.)

https://moposite.com/txt/development_of ... levels.txt

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 16 Apr 2024, 05:18

Abula wrote: ↑16 Apr 2024, 02:29
Schumi wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022, 21:04 Just realized that Slalom was originally called "Long Drop"
Source? Not in the google doc?

Possible to re-upload Ancient LGR? Speedrun video with the Ancient LGR?

Ancient internals creation dates?

source: Across.exe (shareware version, 1.0)