Elite Speed Program

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 11 Nov 2002, 08:47

To stop all the confusion and arguments all this ill provide proof that my Speed program isn't Nitro. My program dosent even modify elma files it just makes it run faster/slower
i have made some screenies go to:

www.assassinarchives.tk

and go to the correct link..

Hey! dont laugh at my site i know its shit, i just use it to upload files

dz · Post by dz » 11 Nov 2002, 08:53

ok so when u save the rec it shows normal speed rite?
could ya send the proggy to me, see my mail below,
ps. 16.8 on 32compo level

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 11 Nov 2002, 10:06

you beat my time

mines 17:19, well i only tryed the lev like 15 times...

i dunno, i dont know if i should send it, because it can fall into the wrong hands, and yes when u watch ur rec it plays normal, it just gives you the advantage on playing very slow so you know whats going on and can plan ahead, and for the lazy put it on fast and finish the game in like 10-20 min

dz, do you have AIM or MSN?
mine are:

MSN: Dj_Mikey05@Hotmail.Com
AIM: assassin_1275

only DZ ad me to there list

dz · Post by dz » 11 Nov 2002, 10:17

i got ICQ, and im on irc usually
icq number is below as well

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 11 Nov 2002, 10:20

i dont use ICQ or IRC i might start using it i dunno, i just hate it cause its a trial and i cant be stuffed getting a crack.
i made up my mind, i wont give it away, unless someone can persue me very very good or maybe bribe

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 11 Nov 2002, 11:17

so u made the program yourself?

maybe u could help with anti-cheating tools, or making elma less cheatable?

MopoGirl · Post by **MopoGirl** » 11 Nov 2002, 13:17

what does the program do?

Post by **Abula** » 11 Nov 2002, 13:28

Assassin: please don't spread the program. dz doesn't belong to anti-cheating staff.

dz · Post by dz » 11 Nov 2002, 14:19

well, i know many other players who has it too, and overmost, it can be detected already, so i don't recommend using it for inet records

MP · Post by MP » 11 Nov 2002, 14:19

Every new program needs some test players, i can check how much it gives advantage. So if I'm top5 in next wcup event=good cheat prog ...out of top10=no use at all

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 11 Nov 2002, 15:41

pls don't send it to abula, he uses the level unlocker in wcup...

Post by **Abula** » 11 Nov 2002, 15:49

ribot wrote:pls don't send it to abula, he uses the level unlocker in wcup...

Just give me one name who wouldn't (and play seriosly). I could upload it to Moposite but PeXi doesn't want to.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 11 Nov 2002, 16:16

toringe... now what?

i just cant remember u telling it's ok to use it, does it also mean u can start using nitro and whatever and suddenly it's ok?

ZeiZei · Post by **ZeiZei** » 11 Nov 2002, 16:23

I've never used level unlocker..

Post by **Abula** » 11 Nov 2002, 16:23

ribot wrote:toringe... now what?

i just cant remember u telling it's ok to use it, does it also mean u can start using nitro and whatever and suddenly it's ok?

TorInge doesn't play WCup seriously.

I didn't know using Nitro to merge recs or check bigger maps is cheating. And there isn't anymore any need to use it when 1.11h is up.

Jalli · Post by **Jalli** » 11 Nov 2002, 17:55

Hmmm, I don't use unlocker... I just play like hell

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 11 Nov 2002, 18:47

toringe doesnt play it seriously? and jalli neither? i gave u a name, don't try to make excuses.

Post by **Abula** » 11 Nov 2002, 19:12

ribot wrote:toringe doesnt play it seriously? and jalli neither? i gave u a name, don't try to make excuses.

To me TorInge doesn't play if he used like one hour to one event. And _you_ didn't give Jalli. Nevermind.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 11 Nov 2002, 19:23

oh so i need to find the name in order for u to ANSWER the question? well i can give u one: jalli

Chris Penrose · Post by **Chris Penrose** » 11 Nov 2002, 19:28

Abula wrote:Nevermind.

Ribot:
Dude, don't you know when to shut up?

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 11 Nov 2002, 19:49

of course i do

Jalli · Post by **Jalli** » 11 Nov 2002, 19:52

Seriously I have never used lev unlocker. I thought about doing it at #03 to find the fastest route, but someone (Lucian?) uploaded a map of the lev. I just haven't bothered to find it and download it. I can see the use of it, I understand people using it, and I don't consider it cheating, but I like to play entire levels, not just parts of it. I would be too mad if I made a section perfectly on a training lev and then screwed all up doing the whole level.

dz · Post by dz » 11 Nov 2002, 21:19

hey back to topic guys

onlainari · Post by **onlainari** » 11 Nov 2002, 22:23

maybe you can help with new cheat programs.

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 12 Nov 2002, 06:35

RoniMox- the program simply Speeds up Elma or it can make it run slow, as you can see i provided two screenshots on my site: www.assassinarchives.tk
Those screenies are exagurated ud never put it that fast or slow, cause other wise it crash, +1.4 is fast enough and -1.4 is slow enough.

Abula- i wont send anyone the program.

Other People- I wont make Anti cheating programs because im too lazy

MopoGirl · Post by **MopoGirl** » 12 Nov 2002, 17:15

is the prog considred a cheat?
if not, then why not send it to other ppl? or upload it?

Antz · Post by **Antz** » 12 Nov 2002, 19:31

That's OBVIOUSLY a cheat program!!! duh!!! timing of tricks comes a hundred times easier and more exact if u play with e.g Â½speed. extreme pros in theory wouldn't need that but to everyone else it would be a great helper.

Chris Penrose · Post by **Chris Penrose** » 12 Nov 2002, 19:33

Those pictures don't prove anything. You could've drawn them on some graphics program.

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 12 Nov 2002, 19:39

Antz wrote: timing of tricks comes a hundred times easier and more exact if u play with e.g Â½speed.

Driving in slomo isnÂ´t as easy as it may seem, sure, it may be easier to drive trough tight tunnels (for some) but driving fast is really hard. Get elmanitro somewhere and try....
In driving wrÂ´s I can assure you it donÂ´t help at all. And no, timing is not easier.

Antz · Post by **Antz** » 12 Nov 2002, 19:45

ramone wrote:*misc talk*

after driving wiv nitro i know it is easier, after u get the hang of it. but! best prog would have a button that can change to slow-mow and back, for difficult spots.

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 13 Nov 2002, 06:05

i can assure you it is not a fake.

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 13 Nov 2002, 09:27

Hey Abula, do you want this program? as soon as i got on across everyones bombarding me with questions and saying its detectable if i give it to u u can tell them all thats its not detectable.

tell me if you want it.

dz · Post by dz » 13 Nov 2002, 09:33

so why all this bragging ?

i belive it's not fake,
maybe it won't be detected yet,
if ya intended to use it for ur own purposes and not giving it away,
why come here and tell everyone how amazing it is

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 13 Nov 2002, 09:44

Hazding wanted me to check with some guy i think carc if its detectable i dont know who it is but i want to know if it is, abula can you get this rec
http://www.boomspeed.com/assassin1337/detect.rec
and see if its detectable

DZ im not braging, its a forum we discuss whats happening in elma im just saying whats happening to me =P

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 13 Nov 2002, 12:57

it's weird brag imho since it's not impressive.

then abula can't check if it's detectable i think, only carc

dz · Post by dz » 13 Nov 2002, 13:00

abula most likely can't detect (maybe he has already anti-speed tool) cuz he doesn't code those things. better send it to carc aka mgen. he has registered on this board so u'll find his emal there

Post by **Abula** » 13 Nov 2002, 15:23

Assassin wrote:Hey Abula, do you want this program? as soon as i got on across everyones bombarding me with questions and saying its detectable if i give it to u u can tell them all thats its not detectable.

tell me if you want it.

You can mail it to me, I can forward to MGen (carc). His email is mgen@freemail.hu if you want to mail directly.

dz · Post by dz » 13 Nov 2002, 19:04

abula : do u have tools for detecting speed cheats?

Post by **Abula** » 14 Nov 2002, 14:36

dz wrote:abula : do u have tools for detecting speed cheats?

You think we'll tell these things?

dz · Post by dz » 14 Nov 2002, 14:54

Abula wrote:You think we'll tell these things?

I asked for this because i want to know can i still play internals (mainly) without fearing someone can easily cheat and it will not be detected. as it seems you're not willing to tell, which is strange i think, im afraid it makes at least me less interested on serious playing simply cuz i'm not sure is the speed cheating fully protected and normal players can safely play without being worried that someone can just cheat and no one knows anything about it.
of course we can't forget the fact, that if you really can't detect it, it's not maybe wise to admit it. tho i don't want to make any conclusions.

Post by **Abula** » 14 Nov 2002, 16:58

So you want me to lie to all of you that it's 100% sure that cheating isn't possible and no one is doing that?

dz · Post by dz » 15 Nov 2002, 23:37

well i kinda understand it's better to keep low profile on these things. it's kinda wishful thinking to hear "we have now good tools to detect this form of cheat", and yea, after all, i think it's better to keep it low prof. i have nothing to add about the matter. :)

Assassin · Post by **Assassin** » 16 Nov 2002, 03:25

Hey abula, did you get my email with the program in it?

Antz · Post by **Antz** » 16 Nov 2002, 08:17

assa why don't you use PM? telling in here u've sent some email to someone isn't really that important..

MopoGirl · Post by **MopoGirl** » 16 Nov 2002, 10:33

i really don't understand why abula/px won't spread anti cheat progs, cuz what if someone sends a MOX lev record and it's cheated, and i have no idea that it's cheated? doesn't seem to fair

Antz · Post by **Antz** » 16 Nov 2002, 10:59

a big point in anti-cheating programs is that people don't know what kind of programs exist. therefore they dare not risk getting caught in cheating and don't. if anti-cheating progs are known ppl use cheats that can't be detected yet.

Post by **Abula** » 16 Nov 2002, 13:34

RoniMox wrote:i really don't understand why abula/px won't spread anti cheat progs, cuz what if someone sends a MOX lev record and it's cheated, and i have no idea that it's cheated? doesn't seem to fair :?

Yes it's a problem but we cannot spread the programs. Though it's pretty obvious no one would cheat in some small contests, no need.

Assassin: yes.

Post by **SveinR** » 16 Nov 2002, 18:41

Abula wrote:
RoniMox wrote:i really don't understand why abula/px won't spread anti cheat progs, cuz what if someone sends a MOX lev record and it's cheated, and i have no idea that it's cheated? doesn't seem to fair
Yes it's a problem but we cannot spread the programs. Though it's pretty obvious no one would cheat in some small contests, no need.
.

Well...I know for a fact that people has cheated in small contests (HÃ¶ylÃ¤ Competition for example), but that's only easy-detectable cheats like changing something in the level file.